Bill Richardson Endorses Barack Obama

New Mexico Governor and former Presidential candidate, Bill Richardson will be endorsing Senator Barack Obama. Richardson joined Obama at a rally today demonstrating his clear support for the Senator in the 2008 Presidential race. Richardson's importance as a superdelegate will help Obama immensely in the upcoming weeks before the Pennsylvania Primary on April 22nd. For the full story, click here.

Bill Richardson May Leave The Race

While the Associated Press is reporting that New Mexico Democratic Governor Bill Richardson has dropped out of the presidential race following two fourth-place finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, his campaign is denying that he has dropped out.

Back to Back Debates Tonight

The Democratic and Republican presidential candidates will have back to back debates tonight on ABC at 7 PM EST. The Republicans will debate first for an hour an half before the Democrats taking the stage. Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Barack Obama, John Edwards, Governor Bill Richardson, Mike Huckabee, Senator John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Rudy Giuliani are all expected to attend. This is a crucial debate for Hillary Clinton. The Green Room wishes her the best.

Pollspot: Obama Gets Bump

A new Rasmussen Reports survey in New Hampshire shows Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. Hillary Clinton, 37% to 27%, in next week's primary. John Edwards is third with 19%, followed by Gov. Bill Richardson has 8%. This is not good news for the Clinton campaign.

I'm not losing hope. I still believe Hillary Clinton can overtake the inexperienced Barack Obama, who is low about policy and all about message and ambition.

Hillary Picks Up 10th Senator

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Good news for the Hillary Clinton campaign as they prepare for the Iowa caucus. The campaign announced today the endorsement of Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington. Cantwell's endorsement makes Hillary's list of senate endorsements grow to 10. Senator Barack Obama has 2 senate endorsements while Bill Richardson and Senator Joe Biden each have one. John Edwards and Chris Dodd have none.

Pollspot: New Mexico

Political Wire brings us a poll from New Mexico.

According to a new Albuquerque Journal poll, Gov. Bill Richardson leads the Democratic presidential race in his native New Mexico with 44% support, followed by Sen. Hillary Clinton at 17 percent, John Edwards at 8% and Sen. Barack Obama at 8%.

However, 52% of those surveyed thought Sen. Hillary Clinton would eventually win the Democratic nomination.

Clearly...he's a popular governor.

Democratic Candidates Sign Pledge

According to Political Wire, "John Edwards, Sen. Barack Obama, Gov. Bill Richardson, Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Joe Biden promised not to campaign in states that hold early nominating contests in violation of Democratic party rules, the AP reports.

They agreed to a pledge circulated by the Democratic Party chairs of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Sen. Hillary Clinton's staff said she is still reviewing the matter. "

This is a tough one. While it is annoying that many states are trying to push up their primaries to get more play, is it entirely smart to ignore all but four states for the time being? Don't forget we have a general election coming up after the primaries. I'm not sure how I feel about this pledge, Hillary needs to think this through.

Pollspot: Iowa...Yet Again

Political Wire brings us this Iowa poll today...

Iowa:
In Iowa, a new Time magazine poll shows John Edwards leading the Democratic presidential race with 32%, followed by Sen. Hillary Clinton at 24%, Sen. Barack Obama at 22% and Gov. Bill Richardson at 13%. Complete poll results are available.

John Edward's efforts of focusing mainly on Iowa may be working but I still predict that Hillary Clinton will win Iowa come January. Bill Richardson rises a little.

Dodd Gets Big Endorsement

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Democratic presidential candidate Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut will announce that the International Association of Firefighters is endorsing him according to The Politico. The IAFF was the first union to endorse Senator John Kerry in 2004. Dodd will get a major boost from this, especially in New Hampshire. Many predicted that the IAFF would give their endorsement to either Governor Bill Richardson or Senator Hillary Clinton, who have both been reliable to the IAFF.

Kevin's 2008 Prediction

Listen here as Green Room staffer Kevin Coughlin makes a short prediction for the 2008 election season with a focus on Bill Richardson. Much to my chagrin as a Hillary Clinton supporter, Kevin does not have some nice words for the other candidates.

Also, listen to our latest episode dealing with entertainment here!

Pollspot: Edwards is on the rise in Iowa

Here are some more polls courtesy of Political Wire:

Iowa:

According to a new ONE poll in Iowa, John Edwards leads in the Democrats presidential race with the support of 30% of likely caucus-goers, followed by Sen. Hillary Clinton at 22%, Sen. Barack Obama at 18% and Gov. Bill Richardson at 13%.

Edwards seems to be doing well since this is the only state he is focusing on. The Obama camp cannot be pleased that Bill Richardson is co close to Obama.

Nevada:

A new Research 2000 poll in Nevada finds Sen. Hillary Clinton leading the Democratic presidential race with 33%, followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 19%, John Edwards at 15% and Gov. Bill Richardson at 11%.

On the GOP side, Mitt Romney leads with 28%, followed by Rudy Giuliani at 18%, Fred Thompson at 18%, and Sen. John McCain at 8%.

One of the less talked about early caucus states shows Hillary Clinton in a comfortable lead as Mitt Romney also enjoys a 10 point lead over Rudy Giuliani.

National:

A new CBS News national poll finds Sen. Hillary Clinton leading the Democratic presidential race with 45%, followed by Sen, Barack Obama at 25% and John Edwards at 14%.

Hillary maintains a 20 point lead!

Pollspot: Still More of the Same

As much as I am ecstatic that Hillary Clinton maintains her lead, I would love to see pollers ask some new questions or something! Please. Anyways, here is a new national poll courtesy of Political Wire.

The latest CNN/Opinion Research poll confirms what most other national polls show: Sen. Hillary Clinton is widening her lead in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.In the new survey, Clinton leads with 44%, followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 24%, John Edwards at 16% and Gov. Bill Richardson at 5%.

Among registered Republicans, Rudy Giuliani is ahead with 27%, followed by
former Sen. Fred Thompson with 19%, Sen. John McCain is third with 14%, followed
by former Speaker Newt Gingrich at 12%, and former Gov. Mitt Romney at 11%.

While I do not want anyone to mess with Hillary's 20 point lead. I would be a little excited if Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, or anyone else started rising and taking down Obama and Edwards.

Pollspot: A Different Kind of Poll

Here's a different type of poll that we haven't seen courtesy of Political Wire.

From National Journal’s latest Political Insiders poll:

Who is your party’s most OVERRATED presidential candidate?

42% of Democratic insiders named John Edwards, while Barack Obama came
in a close second with 40%. The verbatim comments from some respondents were
particularly critical of Edwards.

58% of Republican insiders picked Fred Thompson. The next candidates
named were John McCain and Mitt Romney, both with only 14%.

Who is your party’s most UNDERRATED presidential candidate?

32% of Democratic insiders picked Gov. Bill Richardson with Sen. Joseph
Biden a close second with 28%, and Sen. Christopher Dodd at 22%.

46% of Republican insiders chose Mike Huckabee, with Mitt Romney in
second with 25%.

I was quite happy to not see Hillary's name mentioned in the overrated collumn. It's interesting that Barack Obama was so high up in the overrated column though I'm sure, as a frontrunner, she is 3rd most overrated though with Edwards and Obama making up about 82% of that question she really could not have scored too high which is definitely a plus for us Hillary fans. I definitely think Gov. Richardson is stealing Barack's thunder and will continue to see a rise in the polls and Kevin has a popular theory which could just pan out. On the GOP side, it was funny how Mitt Romney ranks in both overrated and underrated.

AFL-CIO Presidential Forum

The ALF-CIO held it's Democratic forum last night in Chicago moderated by MSNBC's Keith Olberman and featuring all the major Democratic contenders for president except for former Alaska senator Mike Gravel. Since this is basically the millionth Democratic debate/forum (with a million more to go), we heard a lot of the same old stuff. However, the dynamic is changing and, last night, instead of it seeming like every man and woman for him or herself...it seemed to be more of a team sport with Clinton/Biden/Dodd on one side against Obama/Edwards on another side with Richardson and Kucinich floating around.

Before that, let's talk about other things. While all the candidates did well as usual, I though last night belonged to New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and Rep. Dennis Kucinich. Richardson, for once, looked comfortable, had the best one liner ("My V-P would NOT be Dick Cheney"), stayed out of the bickering, and, most importantly, he wasn't boring. Dennis Kucinich...gotta love him. He's really passionate and he's the only candidate up there that actually has differing views from the rest. He did a lot better without Mike Gravel's presence. Senator Chris Dodd and Senator Joe Biden also did really well last night. Dodd sounded strong and Biden really knows how to work a crowd. Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama did well as usual with Hillary definitely sounding more presidential and experienced. She edged out Obama in his home field once again and political analysts, including Pat Buchanan, agree it was her night. John Edwards did the poorest. His desperation is shining through and he's trying to do whatever it takes to crawl back to the top.

Edwards started the bickering early on by trying to condemn Hillary for taking lobbyist money and Barack echoed Edwards' criticism. Hillary stood her ground and defended her position. Edwards was trying to capitalize on the fact that Hillary got booed at YearlyKos for lobbyist defense. Guess what Edwards? This wasn't YearlyKos. Lucky for Barack, Gravel was not there to call him out saying that Barack does indeed take money from special interest groups, even if they aren't federal lobbyists (key word there is federal). Keith Olberman did mention to Barack about him accepting money from lobbyists to which Obama went defensive very quickly. Obama and Edwards are fooling nobody. Do you really think they are getting all their money from the general public? They are the two people I have actually seen speak in person and while they are both great, charasmatic speakers....they continue to disappoint and unimpress.

This team up of Obama and Edwards continued as the two candidates attempted to paint themselves as Washington outsiders and portray the others as Washington insiders. This has been Obama's motto all along, which Edwards is now trying to hop on Obama's bandwagon. Desperate much Edwards? Hopefully, Obama and Edwards will cancel each other out because, frankly, both are starting to become very whiny and very "vote for us because we aren't with the in-crowd."

Next came the time to attack Barack Obama. As mentioned here in previous posts, Obama recently stated that we need to pull out of Iraq and go into Pakistan to get Al-Qaeda. Now he's trying to take his words back and add stuff in there by saying "only if we have actionable intelligence" and "scratch that, noone discussed nuclear weapons" after he mentioned nuclear weapons and Pakistan. To me, Obama is continuing to see that he needs to seem more experienced and more knowledgeable on foreign policy so he is doing and saying anything to get his name out there. Last night, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd came after Obama for his remarks saying that he made a mistake about his remarks about Pakistan and Biden even went on to say that "Barack said nothing new and he was just stating something (actionable intelligence) that is already policy." Basically, Biden called Obama out for copying him and for stating something that the U.S. already does but making it seem like it was a new idea. Olberman tried to get Hillary to say something in regards to Obama's statements and, while she did say that it was unwise and unpresidential, her remarks weren't as heated as those from Dodd and Biden. Hillary was able to take the high road last night and not be so on the offense due to the support she had on stage from Biden and Dodd. It was definitely a good thing for her and Dodd and Biden definitely elevated her last night. Perhaps, Dodd and Biden have struck a deal to join Hillary's cabinet and administration? Who knows. I'd love that. Anyways, Obama defended himself against Dodd, Biden, and Hillary the ONLY way he knows how....by talking about IRAQ (which wasn't even brought up). Barack tooted the "well, what's naive is all you guys voting for the Iraq war" business again. I'm so sick of this argument. Get over it Obama. You weren't in the Senate. You didn't vote for Iraq because you didn't have the chance to vote for Iraq....whether it would have been a yes or a no. The only person who truly voted against Iraq and not vote to fund it (Barack voted to fund it) was Dennis Kucinich. Same old argument, a different day. Get something new Obama...please.

That's all. Expect more bickering.

Hillary...loved or hated at YearlyKos

The Democratic presidential candidates descended to Chicago this weekend to attend the YearlyKos convention. For those who are unfamiliar with YearlyKos, it is an annual convention featuring left-leaning liberal bloggers who collaborate and write for the DailyKos website. Today, Senator Hillary Clinton took to the stage at YearlyKos and this was not just another speech for her. It is no secret that the more liberal bloggers have not been the biggest fan of Hillary and have criticized her plenty...especially for her initial support of the Iraq war. However, the Hillary Clinton campaign knows the importance and impact that the internet and bloggers have become and so she has been slowly, but surely, trying to gain their respect and show that she does listen to what they have to say. To show her slight unpopularity with DailyKos, this article from The Politico shows a poll taken in July which has Hillary in 3rd among their choices for president with only 9% (John Edwards came in first with 36% followed by Senator Barack Obama with 27%). Taking the stage today, Hillary was probably expecting to be booed and heckled.

And yes...that did happen. But only TWICE and the first one didn't really count because it was a comment about the Chicago Cubs vs. the Chicago White Sox. People always get worked up about sports! Anyways, now that reviews are pouring in from Hillary's performance, people are either completely loving or hating her speech. Most agree she did well. According to Roger Simon at The Politico in this article, "she went on for another 40 minutes and nothing was heard in the room but cheers -- and applause. It was, in fact, a tour de force performance, though she started with defensive humor." Watching her words carefully because she knows that only one misstep can potentially be disastrous, she continued her conversation with none of the other candidates present at the forum taking any shots at her. Regarding Iraq, Hillary was applauded for saying, “We must withdraw in a careful and responsible way...We can’t just wake up and say we will move 160,000 troops. That is dangerous." This was in contrast to Governor Bill Richardson saying that we can withdraw a majority of the troops by the end of the year. I agree with Hillary and don't think Richardson's withdrawal plan would be possible or safe...especially with President Bush still in office.

Now came time for Hillary to receive some boos. When the topic of special interest groups, lobbyists, and money came up, Roger Simon says this is where Hillary received "the only substantive negative reaction of the day." John Edwards made it known that he and Senator Obama do not accept money from Washington lobbyists (though Democratic contender and former Senator Mike Gravel says Barack Obama does in fact collect money from lobbyists) and now it was time for Hillary to respond. Hillary said, “I have been saying that based on my 35 years of fighting for what I believe in, I don’t think anybody will think I will be influenced [by lobbyist contributions].” I couldn't agree more. She didn't shy away from the fact that she accepts money from lobbyists but she made it clear they don't have as much influence on her as she is portrayed. Yes, the health care industry sends money to Hillary but let's not forget how hard Hillary worked as First Lady to reform the health care system. She failed the first time around and she has been very vocal about trying again. When the boos broke out, Clinton responded with "“I have been waiting [for that],” Clinton said with a smile. “It gives me a real sense of reality in being here. I have a good idea about bringing about change. I wish it were as simple as doing this or that. I will take money from lobbyists, because some represent real Americans like nurses and social workers, and they represent businesses that employ a lot of people. And I ask you to look at my record. I do want to be the president for everybody.” Defending lobbyists won't get Hillary anywhere at YearlyKos. Think again if you think Edwards and Obama don't except money from other corporate interests besides lobbyists. Let me remind you that in spite of taking money from lobbyists, Hillary has always been a champion for the causes of people who are less fortunate, specifically women and children, having grown up in middle class America with not a lot of money. After Yale, Hillary worked for Marion Wright Edelman (her mentor) at the Children's Defense Fund. People who say Hillary is a cold woman really need to take a look at her past and do some research.

Another writer at Politico, Ben Smith, focused on only the negative response that was given to Hillary in this article and says she bombed. Roger Simon's article refutes that but Smith's article is still an interesting read. Regarding the lobbyists, Smith writes, "Clinton’s defense of lobbyists may have aimed at adding nuance to a debate in which Edwards and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama have cast federal lobbyists as dangerous influence peddlers while continuing to take money from corporate executives and state lobbyists. But instead, it seemed to solidify the perception of Clinton as a Washington establishment figure in a year when Democrats are eager for change. Her words drew jeers from the audience and invited sharp responses from Edwards and Obama." This was the opportunity that Edwards and Obama were waiting for. It's rare they are speaking somewhere together that Hillary is not the most popular candidate and they know they had to strike at her at some point knowing they had a sort of home-court advantage. Smith also writes, "Obama’s advisers, however, were jubilant, joking with reporters about how quickly they would be able to turn her words into a television ad. There goes Obama's politics of change once more down the drain as his campaign seizes an opportunity to join the Clinton offensive. “I can’t say I’ve ever heard a more fulsome defense of lobbyists before,” deadpanned Obama’s main adviser, David Axelrod. “It certainly stood out.” Listen, I don't mind if you are going to attack any candidate. Unfortunately, it is a part of American politics. However, I do mind if part of your entire campaign is running on a platform that you will run a clean campaign without attacks. This is part of the reason why I continue to distance myself from Senator Obama more and more each day.

In conclusion, I'm sure a lot of what all the candidates and Hillary said today was more of the same old stuff we have been hearing for months now. I am glad that Hillary attended the YearlyKos convention and has been making progress with bloggers. While not a stellar performance, Hillary Clinton was not knocked down and continues to perform better than people could ever have anticipated. People continue to underestimate her and keep waiting for this to all come apart...guess what people? It won't. This woman fights for what she believes in and she'll continue to fight regardless of whether or not she wins the nomination and the presidency. Roger Simon's article sums up my feelings pretty well with a quote from Markos Moulitsas on Hillary's performance today. He says, "She did a good job in reducing hostility. Half the battle is getting the proper respect, and she got that. She doesn’t have to get total agreement.” I agree. We've come so far and we still have got so far to go.

-John Oliveira

Three-Way In Iowa

It's a three-way tie in Iowa for the Democrats. According to Political Wire:

Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Barack Obama and John Edwards are in a virtual tie for first place in Iowa, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. The survey found Obama had 27% support, followed by Clinton and Edwards tied at 26%. Gov. Bill Richardson was fourth with 11%."

While Clinton has a clear and consistent lead over Obama in national polls, with Edwards generally running a distant third, the contours of the campaign in Iowa appear far different. Edwards's strong base of support, built on the foundations of his second-place finish in the state's precinct caucuses in 2004, has turned Iowa into the most competitive early state for the Democratic field."

I have a feeling in the end John Edwards might win in Iowa. He needs the win to have a chance. Hopefully, Hillary Clinton will do some major Iowa campaigning in the Fall and take over both Edwards and Obama.

Pollspot

Political Wire has some interesting polls I'd like to bring to your attention:

President Bush and Iowa:

As a back drop to the presidential campaign, SurveyUSA has tracked President Bush’s approval rating in Iowa for more than two years. This month’s 28% approval rating is his lowest ever and coincides with his highest-ever disapproval number, which is 69% today.

Arizona:

A new American Research Group survey in Arizona finds Sen. Hillary Clinton continues to lead the Democratic presidential race with 39%, followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 25% , Bill Richardson at 9% and John Edwards at 8%.

In the Republican race, Sen. John McCain leads Rudy Giuliani 32% to 23% in his home state, with 15% for Fred Thompson. However, McCain was at 45% in the February poll.

No surprise that McCain is leading in his home state. However, it is a surprise that he has dropped almost 15 percentage points. Still, he has a comfortable lead over Rudy Giuliani. Meanwhile, while no surprises at the Hillary and Obama dominance, it is more important to point out that Bill Richardson slightly wins over John Edwards in Arizona. This shows how the New Mexico governor is definitely more well known in the West and how he definitely will have an impact in the primaries.

National:

A new Diagio/Hotline national survey finds Sen. Hillary Clinton leading the Democratic presidential race with 39%, followed by Sen. Barack Obama at 30%, and John Edwards at 11%. All other candidates receive less than 5%.

On the Republican side, Rudy Giuliani edges out former Sen. Fred Thompson 20% to 19%, with Sen. John McCain third with 17% and Mitt Romney fourth at 8%. All other candidates receive less than 5% each.

Meanwhile, a new George Washington University Battleground Poll shows Giuliani edging Clinton in a general election matchup:
Clinton 44%, Giuliani 50%
Clinton 47%, Thompson 45%
Obama 52%, Giuliani 43%
Obama 56%, Thompson 36%

It's definitely interesting to point out how in this poll Clinton would lose to Giuliani but Obama would win over Giuliani. I definitely think Hillary Clinton would shut down the former NYC mayor just like she started to when they were both planning a 2000 senate run but Giuliani had to step down for health reasons.

New Format, Old Questions

The internet showcased how much it has changed politics and elections last night when Anderson Cooper moderated the first ever CNN/YouTube debates. The format was new...for the first time average citizens were able to ask the questions via video submissions through YouTube. But were they really? Not entirely...CNN still acted as gatekeeper and picked which questions would address the candidates. However, the change in format did make for a new and fresh approach to presidential debates. While the format was new, the questions were old. The candidates, for the most part, still addressed the questions that they were used to dealing with Iraq, health care, and gay marriage. However, there were some questions that were new and interesting...such as asking Senator Barack Obama whether he was "black" enough and whether Senator Clinton was feminine enough. There were also some questions that were new and not so interesting...such as who was your favorite teacher? Sorry, but I felt like that was a bit of a waste of time.

Now for the winner of the debate...the format! The new format giving viewers the opportunity to ask the questions was the real winner. None of the candidates really won the debate because they all performed well and even though the format was new...a lot of the answers we received still felt extremely scripted. Of course, that won't stop any of the campaigns from declaring victory (Senator Obama's campaign crowned him king as did Senator Bidens) For once I noticed that Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Senator Chris Dodd were given equal, if not more, time than the top tier candidates. With that said, the candidate who I felt performed the worst was Governor Bill Richardson and that's only because he started off shaky. He recovered soon enough and performed well. I almost must say that Mike Gravel is insane. He's very passionate and angry about the issues but he is too much of a loose cannon and combative. I do love his presence at these debates because you can always count on him for entertainment and to put the candidates in their place. My personal favorite, other than Mrs. Clinton of course, was Senator Joe Biden. I really feel that, if Hillary Clinton were not running, this man would be the best choice for president. He really knows his foreign policy and I think he would set a good domestic agenda.

While many media and pundits predicted that the candidates would attempt to bring down Hillary Clinton last night, I found that most of the attacks were towards Barack Obama. Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel called Obama out for saying he does not accept money from lobbyists and Dennis Kucinich attacked Obama for saying that he never voted for the Iraq War. He made it very clear that Barack Obama never had the chance to vote for the Iraq war since he was not in office at the time and that Kucinich was actually the only candidate who had not voted for the war. I was pleased to hear Kucinich make this point because I'm tired of Senator Obama using this point when it is not entirely valid.

The big issue being discussed about last night's debate is the difference in answers between Senators Clinton and Obama regarding whether or not they would promise to meet with the leaders of Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. in their first term. Senator Obama answered first and said he would make that promise to meet with the leaders and Senator Clinton answered next saying she would not promise to meet with them because she would need to make sure that it wouldn't be used for propaganda. While it may sound like they answered completely differently, they did not. Hillary, like Obama, said she would seek diplomacy but she just didn't say she would go into it without thinking about it first. While I have no doubt that Obama would also not jump into talks with the leaders without investigation and thought, Hillary's answer came across far more experienced and thought out. It made Obama's answer seem very naive and, amateur. My friend and Washington D.C. intern Ashlee Tran says "Her response to the Iran/N Korea/Venez/Syria/etc. ques was measured, poised and exemplified her experience." This, to me, just showed how excellent Hillary Clinton is in the debate format and how Barack Obama is not quite there yet. Today, in regards to those responses, the Clinton camp is attacking the Obama camp for being naive and the Obama camp is attacking the Clinton camp for being a flip flopper and supporting the Iraq War. Yes, they are still using that argument. When all else fails...Obama's camp tries to hide behind Iraq.

One question I have to personally comment on is whether African-Americans should receive reparations for slavery. Only Dennis Kucinich said yes. I could not agree more. I mean no disrespect when I say that unless you were out there in the fields picking that cotton or doing other slave labor, then there is no way you should get any reparation for slavery because, guess what, you were not enslaved.

In closing, while all the candidates shone last night, Hillary Clinton looked and sounded the most presidential. This woman knows her stuff and she has the experience (and I'll dive further into this later because you know I can't let Kevin's post go unanswered). Anderson Cooper did a great job moderating. Ashlee Tran says Cooper "pushed the candidates and continued to probe for answers. One of the best moderators thus far. Plus, he knows when to cut Kucinich off and when to bring Gravel back to...earth." I very much agree. There is a lot more I could say but, perhaps, one of my other Green Room members will choose to analyze the debate further. All in all, a pretty entertaining and informative debate.